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The Vintage Rolex Buyer&#;s Guide by Philipp Stahl.
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I noticed yet again that even seasoned collectors ask me on a regular basis obvious advise about the originality of their vintage Rolex. In a constantly developing market, where fine and honest quality has gone mad price-wise during the auctions, I wanted to add a basic guidance for you how to determine the originality of a vintage Rolex and make all details better understandable for any watch collector who is serious about his hobby. The main question I always ask myself to determine originality is what has been done to the watch during it&#;s life: Wear wise, service wise and dealer wise.
To complete my earlier RPR post: A brief introduction into the world of vintage Rolex and Patek Philippe collecting I now like to add my vintage Rolex Buyers Guidance to analyze original vintage Rolex &#; or any kind of vintage watch brand in general. After I&#;ve spend like 25 years looking at a watch face, case and movement, studying what has happened to it (swapped original parts? restored? serviced with later parts?) during its life, comparing & discussing them on specialized watch forums like VRF, I think it&#;s now become time to share some of my experience. I will further develop and update this post in the near future but felt like starting to share the most necessary information already with you.
I want to discuss the following important issues around collecting watches:
Below you see a original &#;iced&#; plastic crystal on a early Rolex Explorer that chanced transparency due to the radium dust&#;
In the modern vintage watch world, which is full of &#;put together&#;&#;&#;swapped&#;&#;&#;cosmetically enhanced&#; and &#;photoshopped&#; online and offline offers, at first we have to determine the meaning of the words: &#;all original&#;. The current market (as we see at the recent Geneva watch auctions yet again) has become all about rarity in the reference and condition but generally the word &#;original&#; is being abused by most offers you find. So what does &#;all original&#; mean in the watchword? My explanation to this is: A Rolex (or any kind of watch ) that still is in exact configuration as it was back then leaving the factory when it got delivered to the retailer and bought by the client.
As watch brands have delivered their watches over the world in sometimes different configurations, due to import tax, local taste or for instance special orders, the ultimate version to have, is the one being shown in their catalogue at the yearly watch shows ( think of Basel World ) As many global watch brands used to do and in particular the penny-pinching swiss ones, factories always used their left over stock of spare parts in their next designs. Then as most iconic watches where not very popular when they came to the market, it took sometimes 5-10 years or more to sell the initial batch the manufacture made. What we often see is that later delivered examples have different dials, bezels and or updated movements making them not exactly the same in detail as when the first ones got introduced.
A mayor influence on the originality has been played by the manufacture itself, namely during the servicing the watch. Original old parts, most importantly the dial and the hands, have often been changed due to the fact the new radiation regulations that became obligatory after . The chance from radium to tritium ( with a maximal radiation of the total watch of 0.25Mvsr ) changed the dial description at 6 o&#;clock from &#;Swiss&#; to T-Swiss-T and later T-Swiss<25. Its due to all these facts that I use the word &#;Catalogue style&#; to determine the best possible version / configuration one could collect. A Rolex that&#;s still in the condition as it was published in their old catalogue, being from the first batch and not been serviced with later parts, is the ultimate one to have imho! Advise: Use Google to find pictures of original old watch catalogues. Specialist watch forums can help you out as well. As some forums are closed and google can&#;t get the picture out there to show you, it&#;s most of the time a small effort to register yourself and then use the &#;search option&#; For Rolex I can highly recommend VRF (www.VintageRolexForum.com) Besides the many freshly found examples that have been posted over the years, there&#;s a &#;Vintage Dial Archive&#;, &#;Rolex Serial Number Project&#; and a &#;VRF Classic Post&#; sections that are very useful to go through.
Now we know what is the best is to collect, next step is to determine the quality. What we often see when we analyze any watches on its condition, is that the &#; all over patina&#; is not matching. An old watch that has been worn and stored during time will have patina on the dial. Furthermore it has little dents on the common edges of the case, show wear on the crown and leave marks between the lugs from the bracelet that was attached between the lugs. A perfect case with a non perfect dial are signs that someone is trying to cover up earlier damages. Or the other way around a damaged and worn-down case with a perfect dial and hands also tells us something has been done to cover up imperfections.
Advise: Check out &#;honest, untouched&#; offers from private clients on Ebay.com to get a feeling how watches ages over the years. I can also advise you to check the sold archive of auction houses like Bonhams that have hardly take any &#;dealer prepared&#; offered lots into their sales but just auction they lots as it is. Ones you have looked through many examples, your eyes get trained to spot original patina. Below a NOS Submariner..
On an older, glossy gilt dial printed with galvanic technique where you see the lume is actually added lower on the sticky white surface.
Below we see a Explorer Ref with so called &#;Underline&#;, sold in The Netherlands in . The serial number is mentioned on the Chronometer Certificate. Although it&#;s having the &#;minute track &#; and it&#;s marked only with &#;Swiss&#; at 6 o&#;clock, the luminous is not radium but already later Tritium hence the geiger is below 0.25 mSv as you can see..
Probably the best tip I can give you for the popular Rolex or any kind of luminous dialed watch, is always to check the luminous up close! The biggest problem one can have with a watch is humidity, entering through a broken crystal or damaged crown. The water condensation ( which is in many cases salt or chloor water) destroys the movement and will also slowly damage the dial and hands. Therefor I call the luminous material on hands and dial ( which is generally fluffy and added perfectly round on the dial) the highly important &#;moisture meter&#; cq &#;condition meter&#;, showing us what has happened inside the watch during its life. Once moisture has entered the watch, the luminous sucks it up and will become very dark on the top and sometimes even fall off over time. The luminous in the hands tend to tone greenish, leaving marks of corrosion on the surface of the hands. See below how original tritium glows up under ultra violet light..
Above you see all original tritium luminous on an Oyster Paul Newman&#;below a sad story as the luminous got newly relumed and lost 50% or more of it&#;s value ;-(
What we are looking for is &#;matching luminous of dial and hands&#;, both have to be in the same color, still fluffy and undamaged. In general you can say that the correct tone on earlier radium (Pre examples) is a &#;cappuccino&#; color and later tritium (after ) is a bit lighter, more yellow cream. As many dials during their lives have been re-lumed (newly added luminous due to water damages or because customers wanted to see it light up in the dark again as tritium has a lifespan of 12.5 years and looses its brightness ) we often see the all over patina is not matching.
Below you see is a first owner barn find Rolex Paul Newman where all luminous dots are still in tact and the luminous of the hands are matching the dial. It&#;s an earlier version, notice the much thinner second hand in the 9 o&#;clock register and different lay out of the bezel engraving, this is one of the first ref &#;s.
Secondly you also see black 3 color Paul Newman where one could easily say it&#;s the same as above but it&#;s not, is a later transitional ref .. And and without the crystal&#;
The luminous now looks newer then the rest of patina on the watch, isn&#;t matching the color of the hands nor does it has the same radiation as original ones. One should always focus on the luminous as this tells you what really happened with the watch you&#;re examining! See yourself with below luminous dots on the dial, they look non matching, are more yellow greenish, there where the tone of the hands are cream&#;
&#;> Check: &#;The Evolution of Rolex Luminous&#;
Non matching hands, you clearly see that the luminous on the dial is much lighter then we see with the hands. Below we see a all over matching patina on the dial and hands, after the crystal has been removed we see some dirt, that&#;s also located around the crown & pushers..
No marks on the dial, no marks on the hands near the center where a watchmaker takes them off and matching luminous of dial & hands.
Swapped, period correct parts has become a art in the vintage watch world. It&#;s due to the extensive experience and knowledge of the collector or the dealer to upgrade a already nice and original watch into the most wanted &#;Catalogue Style&#;. For instance if a crisp Big Crown Submariner from second batch (-) has been found but for some kind of a reason (Rolex didn&#;t always deliver their watches as seen in the catalogue) it&#;s missing the iconic red triangle bezel, finding the correct red triangle thats matching with the all over patina of the watch is very difficult! By doing so, you change history and to me one should always save the old original part where the watch was found with and mention the upgrade when it&#;s been sold.
Genuine vintage parts have therefor become blue chips. An original, un cracked bakelite bezel for a early GMT Master is like 1/2 the price of the watch. An early Milgauss & Military bezel or hands or even later all red 24 hour hand, all blue GMT bezels have exploded in price due to the fact the most watches where damaged, got changed during a service or simply where not delivered back then with it as nobody really cared about these details from the way we collect nowadays. We have to realize that most of the rare watches from today where made in small batches and where not very popular in sales. It took sometimes years to sell a initial batch and therefor we see first owner watches, never been serviced but still having later parts on it. To bring it back in catalogue style has become an art by itself. I prefer the real deal, below a first owner 18 carat Paul Newman Daytona still in untouched with plenty of DNA left, all original condition..
A hot topic are the so called &#;Tropical Dials&#;, dials that changed color from black to brown. I highly recommend to double check the luminous on these dials as we hardly see any truth tropicals around any more. The problem that moisture in most cases has, can become a dealer advantage as the top layer has been damaged and then chances the structure of the dial radically from black to brown. To get this damaged dial yet again attractive and all matching, dealers will re-lume it to hide the water damage. There are even watches around that have hand colored sub dials or have been put into a magnetron to speed up the process.
A true tropical dial has perfectly matching original luminous, an untouched top layer of the dial and chanced color because it used to be worn in a very sunny area and then got stored for many years in a dark place ( safe ). Up close this original tropical dial will look the same as a perfect non tropical brown, the surface is still intact, luminous is original and when you loupe it 100X you see the original one has a brown and a blackish pixel next to each other, there where artificial ones will show you only brown pixels. There&#;s thus a big difference between an original tropical or damaged dial, only original ones deserve a premium!
Advise: Buy yourself a regular Geiger meter (&#; 150-200,=) to determine the radiation of your watch. Early watches with radium lume have a radiation of at least 20-100 Mvrs. The more we go to , the less aggressive the luminous becomes, ending in when international law forbid to have more then 0.25Mvsr on radiation on a watch. I&#;ve written an interesting article about &#;transitional luminous&#; Rolex using Geiger meters to unravel the mystery of &#;The Underline&#;.
After we now know where to look at, by analyzing the luminous, if a Rolex is still in all original condition, we focus on the case itself. My experiences tells me that even a heavily worn watch still has its original shape. Maybe the edges are a bit worn off but generally i&#;m always surprised who great the shape of the case still is with a fresh find once it has been worn for like 50 years. As we hardly see these &#;untouched&#; cases any more, its logic to state that most watches have been &#;polished&#;. If you&#;re not yet aware about how a certain reference should look like once it&#;s not polished, I recommend you to take a loupe and look closely to the matt polished part of the watch. It&#;s with the matte parts where you can determine if a watch is polished or not.
Up and down, we see 2 x unpolished chamfers, beveled edges that are so particularity loved by vintage Rolex collectors..
A &#;common&#; Rolex reference, the Submariner ref . But as it&#;s still in honest and crisp condition, it&#;s highly collectable as all the original patina is still there!
How to spot a laser welded Rolex case?
As always when you start analyzing a vintage Rolex, every small detail is important and should match the &#;all over patina&#;. With other words, the case should have the same aging as the dial, hands and bezel. In most cases when a case welder has done his job, he merely focuses on the lugs and chamfers with newly added bevels. Don&#;t forget, collectors want their Rolex laser welded because the case looks very tired and worn down. Logically the rest of the watch parts will still show you aging, once the case is looking like new, you will immediately spot it&#;s not matching in detail with the other parts.
But what if the dial was nice and the case only needed an small surgery to become much more impressive? If it&#;s not obvious the parts are not matching, look closely between the lugs, you will notice that this matt area is much more &#;worn&#; then the like new lugs are. Besides that, the case holes are often newly drilled you notice when looping them up close the inside is different, missing the necessary patina and also looks new.
Next, you have to know how a NOS Rolex case looks like, what exact curve is the bevel making and how wide is it as with every reference it&#;s different then you can compare it. Besides the glossy finish the matt finish polish on the case is pointing you out if it&#;s redone or original. The light breaks differently on a matt surface that&#;s recently done then on a matt surface thats done 20-40 years ago. Small scratches will be on top of the matt finish and you will see a depth in it, besides the fact that the newly added polishes are never having the same structure sand lines when it&#;s done afterwards. Here&#;s a nice NOS example of how a small crown looks when it left the factory. Study the lines, polishes, curves and dimensions but most importantly, the all over condition is matching. Every single part is NOS, not only the midcase / lugs&#;
Find below a application patent June 11, for the GMT case with crown guards..Interesting for us vintage Rolex lovers, we see at the top that their patent at United States Patent Office got filled already on April 14th from swiss application on October 14th !
Totally fresh monobloc case seen from the back, note how sharp the rills are and the gravure of the serial and the references still are..
Up close you will see with a polished example that the fine lines are not perfectly straight as most likely the polished cases have been done by hand, there where the unpolished cases have a manufacture polish, done when all parts aren&#;t yet assembled and always the same, in 1 go. The next important feature of a polished watch is that at first the case looks nice but the engravings made mostly in the case back are worn out, polished out. Again this is what I mean with &#;matching all over patina&#;.
For instance, it doesn&#;t make sense when the hands are luminous and the dial is not, the bezel is faded but the case looks like new or the crystal and pushers are of a later service type nor a newly fresh engraved &#;Asprey&#; stamp while the rest of the Rolex engraving is all worn out or you notice that a scratch on the case back is under the gravure while it was delivered with the gravure but now seems to be added later. Sometimes common sense will help you out when you doubt. The bezel is worn but the case isn&#;t or the crown and pushers are new where the case isn&#;t , etc.
Newly unoriginal lasered Military Submariner engravings&#;
During the years many cases, specially gold ones, got hallmarks or import &#; export stamps. If these little stamps, mostly hidden in the back of the case lugs or on the sides of the watch, are worn out and the rest of the case if looking perfect at first view, one can easily state the case has been polished. The same we see between the lugs, where bracelets with their end links always leave visible marks. A fresh looking engraved serial number and reference number, we find with Rolex between the lugs, can point you out that the watch hasn&#;t been worn a lot as the end links didn&#;t scratch the surface due to friction. I specifically add this remark as nowadays we see cases been &#;laser welded&#; ( steel or gold is added to the worn case by laser and afterwards polished in catalogue style). Besides the part between the lugs looking &#;tired&#; where the case looks brand new, sometimes the push pin wholes having a different drill can show you the case had a laser job done. Here some examples of un polished cases, some showing the original still fresh engravings and hallmarks clearly&#;
Above the french hall marks in the middle and the Hermes ( from Paris ) engraving on the side of the case back.. Ultra fresh and unpolished early Rolex chronograph. It&#;s a time capsule that seems to be unworn even after some 75 years!..
Crisp time only super elegant big size Rolex Precision..
Registered Design & Model Depose engraving still clearly readable on this pink gold Rolex Killy.. Fresh hall mark on the sides of this unpolished pink gold Padellone ref &#;
The Rolex stamps & 18 carat hall marks spread over the 3 of the 4 lugs insides&#;
And although it&#;s not the rarest gold Submariner as it&#;s the second eerie with Feet first, ref , it&#;s the condition that makes it collectable!..
Case back inside of a freshly found Rolex stelline. Notice the small watch maker mark at 12 o&#;clock..
Each Rolex reference had it&#;s own specific Rolex logo & reference number inside their case back, up till like /67 we also see the date added once left the manufactory. As most Rolex are perpetual calibers, you can spot a worn out automatic rotor leaving marks in the case back. Also individual service codes are always engraved by the watchmaker&#;
Advise: Buy yourself a professional loupe with 10 x magnify, I recommend the Zeiss Loupe you can get at your local optician or easily purchase at a stamps shop. Always loupe with both eyes opened, don&#;t close the one you&#;re not using. Never use a loupe that has an integrated lamp or violet light, it will damage your eyes.
The movement has become secondary in watch collecting the last years of grande revival. Funny enough when you think about a watch, logically the movement should be what it is all about. When watch collecting started long ago, the focus was always on highly complicated movements, built in pocket watches and later after WWII commonly in wristwatches. We still see that the old school collectors are merely interested in a rare version of hardly seen complication but generally the new way of collecting has changed dramatically. Now it&#;s the face and it&#;s uniqueness next to the preservation that became popular. New buyers enter the market and are solely interested in building up a collection of very nice looking, iconic wristwatches.
The push in price we noticed on the Daytona since some 2 years is amazing. A Paul Newman Daytona or Killy DatoCompax using a non Rolex modified Valjoux caliber have broken every record. There where an iconic small or big crown Submariner, Milgauss, Explorer, Day Date or GMT master with in house Rolex manufacture movements don&#;t reach the same level yet. This will most likely happen soon because Rolex&#;s innovative spirit and magnificent heritage lies in the references that are totally designed by them, including the movement!..
The patina on the top of the movement should match with the rest of the watch, if you see a clean case, most logically the movement will also be clean when you open the back. My tip is to check the most commonly used parts up close and see how their condition is. With other words, to get the movement out of the case one needs to unscrew the crown and the movement plates at the edge that are holding the movement tight in the case. When you notice that the screw to release the crown, mostly located near the 3 o&#;clock opening where the crown goes into the movement, is damaged on the surface, it means it has been taken out a lot. A not so precise watchmaker probably used the wrong screwdriver and damaged the top of the screw and the surrounding of the plate. The same you check with every screw visible from the top. Water damage will oxidate the movement making it look brownish and dirty. Here it helps to analyze NOS ( new old stock ) movement pictures to get an idea how they looked like. As most Rolex are waterproof, using the Oyster concept, the screw thread thats attached on the case back will reveal you heavy use or not. Any watchmaker who serviced a watch made his marks engraved in the case back, spotting many of those individual codes will tell you it has been serviced a lot.
Below Submariner movement, caliber , is still having it&#;s original rotor..
Up close, the reference number, below the Brevet + marking.
And analyzing the fonds of the Rolex serial numbers engraved between the lugs up close&#;
Then last but certainly not the least interesting, fake &#; counterfeit parts: Many collectors have experienced that a so called great deal turned out into a nightmare. Since many years the collectors market in general has been overloaded with un original, later produced, counterfeit practices. As modern watch collecting has become all about the dial, we see many creative crooks trying to enter the market of big money. Reproducing a dial in all it&#;s details is becoming better and better, even to a degree where it&#;s almost impossible to determine right or wrong. It&#;s improving so fast, due to the use of modern technics, that one should remove the dial out of the case ( with all risks of damaging it ) to be certain if it&#;s a original one or not.
Magnifying it up to 100-200 x and comparing with one thats proven original isn&#;t possible for many collectors. Therefor buying from a trustable source where returning a watch with issues is never a problem, has become highly recommendable. Often when a deal is to good to be true, something is smelling fishy. Be aware and try to train your eyes to notice every small detail that&#;s not like you&#;ve seen before. Question every difference, ask fellow collectors or post your picture in a watch forum online before making the deal! See below a fake Rolex Submariner dial, where the printed graphic is becoming very close to original. If you doubt buying from pictures, always make sure you see the watch in your hands before finishing the deal. Once you&#;ve handled these fakes, you&#;ll notice that the patina is wrong. In those cases your eyes tell you the dial seems to be ok at first look but when you examine it up close, with your loupe, your brain is warning you to be extra careful as something is not correct. Same as above, the print is almost spot on ( compare it yourself with the 2 original cut outs I added on top of the picture ) but the patina of the laquer and the luminous are new and the dial has hardly any radiation although it&#;s a mid 50-ies Rolex design that originally is having a strong radiation. Be aware!! Below we see a original Radium Submariner dial where the aggressive radium dust has eaten up the top layer of the finished dial..
In below picture you see clearly the way of printing that this glossy minute track Submariner Ref with SCOC text. These last 2 lines are added on top of the already finished laquer, there where the Submariner & 200m=660FT, is below the finish.. .
On the left you see a service crystal with a facet on the edge, there where the original crystal is domed.
Be aware, high quality fake vintage Rolex dials are been offered into our market, read my RPR article on how to determine a fake dial here! As I reported you several times in last decade, the fakers are getting better and we all have to be very careful in what we buy for our collection. In my Buyers Guide I recently posted you can read about the little details that are so important for the originality of a true vintage Rolex. Since some while now we, the inner circle of hardcore vintage Rolex dealers & collectors, have noticed that fake Submariner dials are being sold as genuine. It seems most pop up in Europa, at the moment, the source might come from Germany and the UK but quickly they are also offered in the US and Asia. These new generation fakes have become very very good in quality and one needs to be an expert to see the difference, specially when you&#;re looking at a picture only. The text is almost 100% copied due to the use of modern techniques a dial design is blown up 100x the normal size and then corrections are made into detail&#;
The left one is original Rolex there where the right one is counterfeit. I pointed out for you where the graphic is off. FAKE! With everything that has been made new to look old the graphics might become closer but the patina and aging is missing. FAKE! Even when the crooks add patina on below dial, you see it&#;s newly made&#; FAKE! Often you immediately notice the sloppy lume job, something at Rolex would never happen / or got approved&#; FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE! FAKE!
Every Rolex reference has it&#;s own unique Rolex crown, printed or applied on their dial. To make it even more complicated, in those references that had been produced for a long time ( Like , , , etc) we see different types in different periods. In the near future I&#;ll make a overview, for now a collage:
Ok, now lets analyze 2 x examples with the knowledge from above. What do we think has happened to below pictured Submariner Ref ? Look closely and try to answer yourself before you scroll down..
As always, first focus on the luminous on the dial and that on the hands. We clearly see that the color in the hands is much lighter then the color on the dial, so this immediately tells you: something has been done to make it look nicer. The hands in general have a bigger amount of luminous than the dots on the dial, besides that, the luminous in the hands does not have a surface compared to the dial. Therefor generally speaking hands tend to change later in color then the dial. What we see is just the other way around, besides that, the hands are to small as the minute hand is not reaching to the minute track but stop just before.
So at first, your alarm bells should already have gone off, something is suspicious, hands where not those that where born on this iconic Submariner. Next we look carefully to the luminous on the dial, in specific at 3-6-8-9 and 12 o&#;clock. We notice that the radium lume ( swiss dial ) is not perfectly added and hanging over the gilt lines printed on the dial. As Rolex always have done this perfectly it means it&#;s not Rolex, done afterwards. SO besides the hands, the luminous is also not original as we want to see it. Fact is that the dial has gone tropical, from initial black to brown caramel. As the lume on the dial is renewed professionally the discoloration of the dial has happened due to a moisture problem and not due to heavy UV light and long storage, so in other words, it&#;s a damaged dial that got cosmetically enhanced to fool people. The next one, a 4 line Submariner small crown ref . First again try to analyze it yourself before you scroll down to my remarks&#;
We start as usual to check out the color of the hand & dial luminous. With this one the both colors looks seem to match at first sight. But once you focus on the hands you see again that they are to short. Minute and second hand are not reaching the minute track on the outside. Besides that, given the fact that this is also a swiss radium dial, we don&#;t see any corrosion on top of the gilt hands, done by the radium dust. So again, your alarm bells should ring by now. Next we inspect the luminous up close on the dial, we notice that the top layer of the luminous dots have lost their rounded structure. Actually the top have been scratched of to remove the stains that where there initially.
As the lume is the moisture meter we&#;ve learned, in this case the moisture has entered the inside and got sucked up by the luminous making it turn brownish black in due time. Many watch makers in the past almost automatically removed the top layer of the lume making them look like craters. So besides the hands, also the lume on the dial has been touched. Then we focus on the case and the bracelet, we see that the small hairlines are not consistent and the color of the steel is all over much too bright looking, meaning it&#;s recently polished, with other words, prepared for sale. The next Big Crown comes from recent Geneva sale from the market leader Christie&#;s. What do you notice?&#;
It&#;s about the same story as on the first tropical brown Submariner we analyzed up here except the hands look to be more matching. Why I bring this one up as a example to discuss is that if you where a buyer and you would only trust the pictures published by Christie&#;s online and in their catalogue, you would never had seen that the middle of the dial shows circular damages. This is due to the fact that the hour hand was pushed to hard while placing it back and then slowly damaged the surface of the dial. The glossy lacquer is irreparable. I strongly advise you when you want to buy at an auction, always to make sure you check the actual watch ( preferable in daylight ) before the sale starts. The enormous amount of photoshop done is a thorn in my side. It&#;s cheating with the trust they have earned by becoming market leader imho. I honestly think all auction houses should stop using photoshop. To rest my case, following pictures is of an early Big Crown with 4 lines coming for sale in NY soon&#;
Now compare it with below picture recently made by iPhone and you see the above is all photoshopped. Even the typical greenish 6 o&#;clock index we see on early sports Rolex from -, has become the same color as the rest of the luminous on the dial. Over sudden the whole dial is also equally black. Advise: Use the enriched information from John Goldberger&#;s &#;Vintage Rolex &#; 100 superlative Rolex Watches&#; Application for your mobile. Besides the all the information from the book, there&#;s a section with close ups from the movements, case backs and dials! An absolutely must have for any serious watch collector and Rolex lover in general. It&#;s regularly updated with interesting data of newly discovered Rolex that come to the market. Check his website for possible Ipjone & iPad applications on Rolex and Patek Philippe over here: www.johngoldbergerwatches.com Provenance: I like to add in a update the proven history of a watch. Wikipedia says about provenance: The chronology of the ownership, custody or location of a historical object. the primary purpose of tracing the provenance of an object or entity is normally to provide contextual and circumstantial evidence for it&#;s original production or discovery, by establishing, as far as practicable, it&#;s later history, especially the sequences of it&#;s formal ownership, custody and places of storage. The practice has a particular value in helping authenticate objects but establishing provenance is essentially a matter of documentation.
With a Rolex this could be the original Rolex warranty papers that state the reference number and in some cases the serial number, the COSC chronometer certificate that state the serial number and movement number, the original receipt stating the price and article description, later service papers confirming the serial and reference numbers. Having pictures from the past showing the owner while wearing it and a letter stating it&#;s history is a must. As Rolex has delivered many different markets in the world, sometimes using local suppliers like we see with bracelets a lot for instance, many different versions of the same reference have come to the market. Having a proper provenance can provide us prove about the originality how it has been delivered initially. When you buy a vintage Rolex from first owner or from the relatives, always ask for extra information they can add. The more provenance you have, the better it is!
Conclusion: My general believe is that we nowadays see to many &#;worked on&#; vintage watches around. Every day a nice and honest watch somewhere in the world gets a &#;treatment&#; because it&#;s dial is having some little spots or the case has original scratches on it. By changing the original patina you destroy the vintage value for ever. It&#;s like a woman that has got herself a facelift to look more beautiful but doesn&#;t realize it&#;s never possible again to age and to return back to normal. As long she doesn&#;t smile, laughs or cry&#;s, not showing you her emotions, she looks as fresh like a statue or a picture. I strongly believe that even a simple steel Airking or Datejust, a Explorer 1 or even a Cellini will become highly collectable as long it&#;s alive and fresh and all original condition having it&#;s necessary patina all over.
The watch market has to understand that exactly these little scratches or small imperfections are the key to future collecting! Stop messing around and offer watches like they are and not how you would like to see them. Once everybody understand the importance of originality, we will see that a simple red sub in great condition will be worth double or triple the money they sell now in average. It&#;s due to the experience and knowledge you built up over the years analyzing, comparing and discussing that only honest quality has a future. Not buying a Daytona or even a Paul Newman because 1 lume dot is missing and although the total watch is nice and crisp, is nonsense! What I tried to explain in my guidance is that you have to be aware about a vintage watch that, for instance, got totally relumed by professionals, where the patina is destroyed and thus not worth buying. We have to realize that perfect grail watches are super rare and not everybody will be able to acquire one in crisp &#;catalogue style&#; as the price will only go up rapidly because we know now not many more will come to the market. Settle for honest quality is my advise, no matter the reference, believe in true patina and buy the best your wallet allows you to!!
I really hope the above quick guidance I set up will help many novice and senior collectors to understand what they are seeing. Always believe your eyes and never the story you get told! Analyze everything up close, use common sense and make your due diligence before you buy a vintage watch or a vintage Rolex in particular! Make sure that when you&#;re not happy, you can return the watch and never wire any amount if you&#;re not 100 % sure that this is the actual owner. The world of vintage Rolex is full of scam and laster, relying on a trustable dealer, who has a reputation to defend, is most of the cases the best option you have. In case of any emergency you can always send me a picture to info at Rolex Passion Report .com where I will have a closer look at your question and give you my free opinion. To determine if a Rolex has the correct serial numbers, where it has been delivered or to get a original Rolex service, you can contact Rolex Heritage Department in Geneva directly. Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoyed it! I wish you lots of fun with your passion of collecting Rolex, or any other watch &#;
Best to all of you!
Cheers Philipp Stahl
I like to add the important &#;Evolution of Rolex Luminous&#; at the end of this post for your eduction purpose&#;.
A lot has already been written about the impact of the luminous used in wristwatches. In specific the turn from using radium to tritium has been discussed in length on vintage Rolex Forums. Today I don&#;t want to debate the dangers of early radium nor the legal impact radiation had for the swiss watch companies. I merely want to make a general overview that&#;s useful for Rolex collectors to understand the differences of luminous, their used time period, the influence it had on the condition of the dial and what typical details one has to look for when analyzing a vintage Rolex. As you could have read earlier in my vintage Rolex Buyers Guide, the luminous in general I see as a &#;Moisture Meter&#; or more specific, a &#;Condition Meter&#; of which you can determine what has happened inside a Rolex during it&#;s life. As long as you don&#;t inhale early radium pre , there&#;s no need to panic, you can wear your vintage Rolex as often as you want, even James Bond knows&#;
At first I like to start with the overview of the approximate date of luminous used by the Rolex Company:
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.The early aged radium dials from the 20-ies and 30-ies where merely fitted on a emaille surface, using strong first generation Radium that by then not known that it could be dangerous. In contraire, radium drinks where sold to cure health issues but soon this chanced after the tragic story about the Radium Girls. For the Rolex collectors under us, the period that started at Rolex from , is one of the most interesting time phrases for aficionado&#;s. The Turn O Graph Ref. , Submariner Ref. & and later the Big Crown Ref. are the beginning of the since then ever lasting legendary tool &#; sports watch concept.. What we see in above and in below pictures are first generation Rolex Sports models. In many cases the radium luminous has turned greenish when moisture &#; condense came into the case as you can see above. In below Submariner ref you can clearly see that the radium dust is covered over the dial, mostly around the radium plots. One of the characteristics of these early sport dials is the fact the they have a 1 color print and a lacquer finish thats not as shinny as we see in later examples. The radium dust, one never must inhale, leave small stains on the surface of the dial. In below picture you can also clearly see the transparant paste in the hands that was added before the radium luminous came on top.
2 x Submariner Big Crown but both very different in detail. First is a Ref with later added &#;Submariner&#; at 6 O&#;clock, secondly we see a Ref with 4 line dial, besides the depth rate and Submariner, this version has a OCC ( Official Certified Chronometer ) movement.
Up close a early Ref with black &#;Honeycomb&#; dial, split logo ( Submariner & Perpetual) pencil hands and slightly visible, the OCC sign at 6 o&#;clock. The radium dust has slightly eaten the dial surface. The missing luminous in the second hand has been spread around the dial. Moisture made the pencil hands inside turned dark as well as the plots on the dial greenish.
Next we see a first generation Big Crown Ref. . You notice that the depth rate ( 200M = 660Ft ) and the Submariner print are both in 1 color! Another typical detail we see is the 6 o&#;clock marker being more bright then the rest of the radium plots. Most probably this marker is a special mix of radium for easier underwater readability.
Detail comparison: Left and middle version are both early &#;s with 1 color print, there where the right one is having a 2 color print ( for depth rate & OCC)&#;
Next to each other, second and first generation Rolex Big Crown&#;s. Clearly visible is the different finish that covers the dials, there where the later left one is all shinny and glossy is the right one of first generation. A lot of research I&#;ve done on these Submariner Big Crown&#;s and my standard procedure was to measure the dial with a geiger meter. From the results I can inform you that the radiation between first & second generation &#;s is significant, depending on the condition of the luminous of as well the dial and hands, the later glossy versions where at least 5 times less radio active, hence the better condition you find them now.
Close up of a fully in tact radium 6 o&#;clock Explorer ref marker from &#;
Comparison: You will notice that the graphic chanced over the years with the later version we see on the right. The Submariner text has become more modern.
A typical detail you hardly see at any pictures on the internet is the unique patina of the glossy dial surface. The to each glossy Rolex dial unique tiny cracks are only visible when you play with the light. Furthermore we see that the top part of the Rolex print is punched in the dial and as well the &#;submariner print. The depth rating and OCC are added later, on top of the finished lacquer, making it possible for Rolex to print 1 dial and later modify it for their needs.
Not many Rolex collectors are aware about the fact that the Big Crown & Small Crown versions are having the same graphics. Below you see that at this pre stamped the depth rating for small crown was used and added over the already finished lac. First Rolex service dial? (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study).
Another interesting detail is the white surface underneath the radium plots that was added to the dial so the luminous could stick on easily. Rolex luminous is always between the gold surroundings and hardly ever will go over it, something you see with later resumed dials a lot, the luminous material is often bigger then the white plot&#;
If moisture enters the case, it will damage the surface and leave little black stains on the lume dots, as you can see below. Again, the luminous on the dial and hands, are the condition meter showing you what happened over the years with the watch. Moisture and condens will be sucked up by the luminous and make it chance color to dark and ugly, then it will destroy the top layer of the dial.
From the front hardly visible but once you turn the dial slightly you notice the infrastructure of cracks. My believe is that the dials have been stored for a long time at a dry place and that this has cracked the surface&#;
Yet another example of cracked surface. This particular SCOC small crown is almost all over damaged and the grooves have become very deep&#;
And another cracked one. In both 3 examples we see that the hands have also been chanced during a service by Rolex to later smaller ones, meaning that all 3 of them had a water problem back in the days and the original radium hands where chanced to later tritium ones, hence the different in color of the luminous.
See below a broken dial finish that flakes&#;
While analyzing the below 2 photo&#;s now you clearly notice that the hands do NOT match the rest of the color of the luminous, thus something has happened afterwards before sit went to auction. Are these the original hands and has the dial been swapped perhaps?
Below you can see pictures of the radium investigation I made on many different sport Rolex and other watches during the recent years. I specifically was interested to see the rate of a untouched original owners Rolex as with them we knew nothing has been done to chance the look / originality. Below a early Panerai Radiomir ref , below measurements from the back..
And up front it&#;s much higher. This ref is still in original untouched condition with it&#;s original crackle crystal..
A Rolex ref in untouched original condition showing us a high radium dial measurements&#;
A Rolex ref up front, untouched example with bakelite radium bezel..
The geiger went really crazy on the early Panerai tools, below a high reading on a compass..
And on a original untouched Panerai depth meter&#;
From the Panerai book of Volker some more geiger results.
Another tip besides using a geiger meter is using ultra violet light to determine the presence of radium is a must&#;
The bakelite bezel on the GMT Master ref was highly radio active. This has become a huge issue in Rolex past when a client brought his Rolex in the US and wanted to ship it out to Singapore, the government noticed the extreme radiation and started a investigation against Rolex in the US. All 600 plus examples that where sold in the US had to be tested on the presence of strontium 90&#; Below you see a official Rolex document that states that the GMT master has been tested and no violence of AEC regulations. (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study) Above a close up of the bakelite GMT bezel and below the GMT Master of legendary explorer next to Jacques Piccard Deepest dive, Lt. Don Walsh..
You see the bezel lights up, there where the dial is not reacting to the ultra violet light. Meaning the bezel is radium and the dial has been relumed with non radioactive material&#;
Front radiation of a Big Crown and below the bright lightning 6 o&#;clock marker of a small crown under ultra violet light. The bright 6 o&#;clock marker was most probably done by Rolex designers to help divers read the dial in the dark quickly and clearly. The luminous dot that was added on the bezel and used for timing the dive is not logically always on the 12 o&#;clock spot so to help the visuality Rolex chanced the luminous of the 6 o&#;clock marker to a more greenish mixture is my consensus.
Below you see a early Submariner which has been resumed with luminous. Not always will the Geiger meter give you 100 % proof as nowadays specialist are using old radium to relume a dial. But if you look closely you will see that the luminous is not perfectly added within the round plots, clearly not a Rolex job&#;
Geiger alert on first generation Submariner&#;
Big Crown forms second generation, produced in with glossy gilt dial and radium luminous&#; Original condition of a rare 369 Submariner version when it was discovered. You see the stains of oxidation on the surface, something that can easily be cleaned with distilled water.. Radium swiss Rolex ref with original luminous. All plots are perfectly shaped and color on the dial is matching the luminous of the hands, first owner find still in all original condition..
The same we see in following examples, a rare waffle diales Datejust with radium luminous on dial and hands. Notice the &#;burning marks of the radium&#; around the luminous, something we see more obvious on lighter colored dials&#;
A second generation Rolex small crown what got serviced early 60-ies but except the bezel insert, still has it&#;s original dial and gilt hands&#;
A early Big Crown ref minute track service dial with tritium ( Swiss &#; T<25 ) Different coronet and print technique..
A Rolex Small Crown Submariner Ref with it&#;s original bezel and spidered tropical dial. We see the humidity in the hands turned a bit green.
A &#;burned&#; Big Crown dial that due to humidity, dry storage and lot&#;s of UV light chanced color and cracked in the surface&#;
Below you see how the moisture the radium chanced to green spots around the luminous dots on the dial. Nobody would really care about this face unless you see the backside&#;
To Sir E. Hillary from Rolex Bosecks, Calcutta &#;
Last version of the Big Crown dial, the luminous becomes less aggressive and much brighter then we have seen before. Also the coronet is different then the typical small & big crown version we are used to. It&#;s more like the early Submariner &#; thin fingers&#; coronet.. Same much brighter almost greenish colored luminous we see on the last version of the small crown, here below SCOC 4 liner from &#;
Around we see the exclamation mark, the little extra dot at 6 o&#;clock added on top of the dial is most probably a first sign of the dial maker to show Rolex (US &#; Canada?) clients that radiation has been adjusted to a lower degree..
Below you see a comparison of first generation Rolex Big Crown Submariner ( &#; ) on the first 2 pictures with 1 color print, then second generation ( -) with 2 color print and the last version is the third generation ( -) on the far left..
The pre transitional period shows us brighter luminous, this particular small crown Ref is having a &#;exclamation mark&#; we see around (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)
Here a perfect example of - luminous on a tropical ref chapter ring&#;
Close up of a late minute track Submariner ref. SCOC, again we bright luminous added on the glossy dial.. Transitional &#;Underline&#; Ref. on the left and slightly earlier minute track on the right&#;
A transitional &#;Underline&#; which has been placed between Submariner & SCOC and a &#;White Swiss&#; added on top of the track. We see that the surface is slightly speckled, something thats more usual then unusual with these transitional dials. Seems like the quality was not perfect. A older dial plate used for a newer case design perhaps? Close up of the &#;White Swiss&#; added on top of the track..(follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)
Fully gloss Ref chronograph dial where the &#;Underline&#; & &#;Anti-Magnetic&#; is added later. Obviously a old style dial design that got luminated with tritium.
Side view of a SCOC &#;Underline dial with a close up of the tritium plots. We see they are puffy and also the white disc underneath are partly visible. The underline and SCOC text is added later on top of the lacquer, the rest of the print is punched into the dial, laying deeper..
Yet another stunning transitional Sports Rolex, a minute track with underline, slightly earlier then the above example due to the close track.
and here another late 4 line Chapter Ring ref with transitional &#;Underline&#;, probably one of the very last minute tracks..
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Other watch manufactures used similar signing for the tritium mark, these below Tornek- Rayville US had also a &#;moisture meter&#; on the dial, chancing the upper half of the circle into the same color as under half once moisture entered into the watch case. VERY clever and innovative solution to protect your watch.
One of the very first Daytona&#;s Rolex delivered. A 922.xxx serial &#;Underline&#; with &#;Double Swiss&#; signing ( one swiss not visible as it&#;s located under the rehaut) The perfect voluminous tritium dots matches the color of the hands of this hardly worn exceptional rare Cosmograph..(follow the link to more vintage Rolex study) Explorer with of which we see the unique cracks in the glossy lacquer perfectly. You know also notice that the luminous on the markers and 3-6-9 are deeper in the dial located&#;
This &#;Underline Explorer has a tritium radiation, less the 0.25 Msv.
Close up of a rare service dial, one that only has a added &#;T&#; behind the radium SWISS, clearly added later and maybe a finished swiss dial that never got laminated and was used as service dial by adding the T and tritium. A Rolex service done after when international regulations forbid the use of radium&#;
The &#;Swiss T<25&#; glossy tritium dial from -&#;. showing some light &#;spiders&#; around the luminous plots&#;
Next is a original owner Submariner sold by Bonhams in all the condition how the owner brought it in, untouched and some moisture stains on the glossy lacquer, something that can be cleaned of with ionized water&#;
A overnieuw from one of the most successful references Rolex ever made, the Submariner ref /3 from till mid 80-ies..
Below some NOS (New Old Stock) Rolex and Tudor dials that have a rich patina due to the fact they where stored in the dark and haven&#;t seen the light for many years&#;
The coming of the seventies chanced the dial surface from glossy to a modern matte surface, here a Ref Explorer with nicely aged tritium luminous. The with the previous glossy dials so matching gold print chanced with the matte dials to a modern white print&#;
The more yellowish color of the tritium is cleverly visible in next experimental Rolex SeaDweller. The iconic &#;Single Red ref &#;. Matt dial, white print, note also that the printed DATE behind oyster perpetual is much bigger in text. The red Sea Dweller text perfectly covers the white text underneath, first examples of this legendary reference had a 500m = Ft depth rate.. Shortly later, end 60ies, came the Red Submariner Ref , of which many different version have been made.. (follow the link to more vintage Rolex study)
Heavy patinated Ref for Qaboos in like NOS condition&#;
A &#;T Swiss T&#; Daytona ( having 1/3 of the tritium as a more luminated Submariner or GMT ) Nicely aged dots are matching the color of the hands.
You see below the lume dots of the Newman dial are bit bigger due to the fact the where placed against the typical square newman index&#;
Here we see the tritium light up under ultra violet light, shortly after you did this, the bright color will fade away and stay visible in the dark for another minute or 2.
In daylight we see the luminous is creamy colored, once activated with UV light it become bright green.
3 x perfectly aged and all intact Oyster Paul Newmans&#;
Up close a detail of the structure of how a original aged tritium dots looks like, spongy.
2 nicely aged unrestored Cosmograph&#;s with perfect matching tritium luminous..
We see that sometimes the lume dot has been moved, most probably due to a hard hit like falling on the ground or so..
Around the beginning of the 70-ies we see on several Sports Rolex that the black paint of the dial changed during the years to a tropical brown tone. This was most probably due to the fact that the dial maker mixed his black color with plenty of red pigment and due to the exposure to the UV light, the black faded to brown. Something we particularly see on Meter first Red Sub&#;s, MK2 Seadweller&#;s and GMT Masters but also on regular Subs or Daytona&#;s from around -.
A MK2 thin case Double Red Seadweller with tropical dial. The red and white paint is as usual with matte dials added on top of the dial, without any lacquer over it. On single and double Red Rolex dials we often see that the tritium luminous is very thin, sometimes even more white then creamy colored.
Dark chocolate ref from the first serie, with meter first&#;
A Sigma ( white gold markers around ) T swiss T Daytona with faded tritium dots and tropical brown sub dials
All black sigma Daytona from first owner in untouched original condition. Perfect matching luminous shows a perfect condition of the dial..
Here below we see a modern interpretation Rolex Geneva made for a client, gold print of a modern design, toned luminous&#;
This has been offered for auction by the previous owner, clearly we see the matt dial making it a mixture of wrong decisions. Original 369 Explorer dials where printed in galvanic technique, making the text lay dieper, the surface was glossy, the typo was matching the date of - when these iconic beauties. I personally think it&#;s not ok and I heard they stopped doing this.
But then it looks like Rolex is using their heritage look at Tudor for a one-off modern interpretation of their ref &#;
Yet another special Rolex lume we see with the Milgauss ref , there where the dots are normally round, they are square now..
2 x creamy colored tritium Explorer&#;s, both untouched and still in their original condition. All 3 belonged to Sir Edmund Hillary&#;
Fat Ref matte Submariner tritium plots that are so big they touch the track on the outside&#;
Or no luminous at all on this blue Submariner prototype ref made by &#;Singer&#; for Rolex in &#;
Ref as MK 3 DRSD on the left next to a little later by &#;Stern&#; manufactured &#;Rail Dial&#;&#;
Deep Orange colored NOS dial and hands that chanced to this brilliant tone after being stored for a long time in the dark.
2 x Rail Dial on the top, followed by a Mk2 with tropical brown dial and a Mk 4 with matt black dial&#; Close up of a naked Comex Seadweller ref &#;
A later ref with feet first Red Submariner with very light colored tritium&#;
A Big Red Daytona Cosmograph with nicely voluminous tritium dots..
The transitional Submariner from plexi to sapphire crystal, ref & . Matt dials in modern case, with anti scratch crystal was the way forward..
A safe queen ref that spend it&#;s life in the dark. Note the heavy patina on the dial and tritium dot of the bezel, there where the hands typically for this reference, chanced muchness in color tone..
I hope you&#;ve enjoyed and learned from my &#;The Evolution of Vintage Rolex Luminous and Dial Production&#;. I will add more detailed information as collecting vintage Rolex is a never ending story. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly: info at Rolex Passion Report .com
UPDATE: 19-02-
What is your vintage Rolex really worth now? What is the price of your vintage Rolex in current market??
One of the most asked question I get every day is, what is my vintage Rolex worth or what is the price of my watch? As this issue has been discussed in depth on every specialist Rolex forum since many years, I&#;m not trying with this report to undermine the conclusions but merely want to add more information about how to determine the value of your vintage Rolex. How do I find out what my Rolex is worth? And then, what&#;s the best way to sell it?
Above collection is carefully put together by collector.
The most common thing to do to come to a correct pricing is by comparing the watches properly. If you want to compare, you first need to know exactly what you have so you can check it precisely with other examples known in the market. My previously written &#;Vintage Rolex Buyers Guide&#; will help you to determine the originality of your watch. Almost everything from the past Rolex collection is nowadays worth buying once it still has all original parts as when it was delivered by Rolex and the case has not been heavily polished. The original form of glossy and matt finished case parts, the sharp edges and screw thread need to be unharmed to be labeled as potential collectable.
Once your vintage Rolex has swapped parts, even with later original Rolex parts, the collect-ability goes down rapidly. Off course if it&#;s for the bezel insert only, you still can find period correct ones offered in the market to swap it back to original. But it is much harder and more expensive to find a correct dial that has been changed by worldwide Rolex dealers during one of the many services to bring back the waterproofness and durability of your Rolex, .
What I often see when people send me pictures of their Rolex is that the hands, crown and crystal have been changed. The changed hands are immediately visible by the non matching luminous of dial and hands. Below clearly visible the non matching handset with the luminous on the dial, the tone is of the hands are almost greenish whilst the dial is more yellowish. This should immediately ring your alarm bells telling you something unoriginal has happened, somebody has restored it incorrectly&#;
During services Rolex cleaned the movement, pressure tested the case and changed the gaskets and often changed also the hands so these become luminous again. After radium ones where forbidden and later tritium ones lost their luminance in 15 years. Therefore, before you start comparing your Rolex with others, it&#;s very useful that you check closely if all the parts are original. But let&#;s start with the most common basics by checking out the main information you need to gather when you start analyzing your Rolex.
The reference number is mostly engraved between the lugs at 12 o&#;clock. During the years the number changed from 3 to 4 digit in the 30&#;s, from 4 to 5 digit in mid 80&#;s and recently from 5 to 6 digits for the newest models. With some early 30-40&#;s models you see that the reference is added on the case back. If you know the reference you know what model it is. As most Rolex models have holes in the case where the push pin is holding the bracelet tight to the case, by using a small pin, it&#;s easy to remove the bracelet and write down the serial and reference number of your Rolex. At the end of this report I will summarize the most used Rolex reference numbers for you.
&#; Above, the serial number is clearly visible once you remove the bracelet, you see this Daytona is a reference
&#; Below, the serial number from a Sea Dweller reference up close
As Rolex was a clever company and due to the fact that many Rolex models were produced over the years, the system they used from the beginning by labeling the serial number to a production date was really great. You locate the serial number between the lugs on the opposite of the reference number, at 6 o&#;clock. From the beginning of the production till 1 million serial examples produced up till , Rolex started over again at 1 to come to 1 million again in . Then in they reached almost ten million (9.999.999 examples) and started using a character to define the year of production. With some early 30-40&#;s models you see the serial number was added on the case back. At the end of this report I will summarize a list of the Rolex serial numbers and their dates of production for you.
&#; Above the serial number is also visible now ( last 3 digits are covered ) making this a 2.731.xxx, which is
&#; Below the serial number up close, 5.286.xxx making it from .
Now you know which model you have and from what year it is, this is already important information to determine the approximate value your Rolex. Next you should find out if your Rolex is still all original or if it has non original parts / later service parts. It takes years of practice to learn to compare vintage Rolex in detail but despite this I will try to help you in the right direction.
As your reference number tells you which model you have you now start comparing your Rolex with one from my &#;reference&#; list below. Your focus should be on the typo used on the dial, the exact form of the Rolex coronet and if present, the bezel typography. Search for similarities but again, this needs to be done precisely. For your information, the indication &#;Swiss&#; or T SWISS T or SWISS T<25 at 6 o&#;clock indicated there was use of luminous on the dial. The first &#;swiss&#; only was in use before and means the dial is containing radium luminous. This changed in the to Tritium with the T SWISS T or SWISS T<25 markings.
So many Rolex dials of so many different models but then, once you start studying them, you&#;ll find out more differences for the same type of dial are being made. Below Black Oyster Daytona dial all look the same but in detail there are small differences. This could be the font used, serif or non serif. The placing on the dial is not always consistent but divers per model. The cliche used for every batch / model is often been changed after it got old and tired, depending on the popularity of the model we see many changes in detail. Find below a comparison between ref. Daytona and later ref. /, it&#;s very hard to see but indeed the right text has become a very small serif text&#;..
Here are some general advises for checking out the originality of your vintage Rolex:
In some cases, you also see the watch maker marks, below in the middle to the right are the inscriptions made by the watchmaker who serviced it, if these start with GE you know Geneva has officially serviced it but in almost all cases are the marks not giving you any more info maybe except a date as every watchmakers uses his own system. Nevertheless ones you see these service marks in the inside of the case back, the chance is considerably that besides a movement clean, the hands, crystal and crown have been swapped as this was almost done automatically with every serviced watch. Rolex wants to deliver their watches back being waterproof.
So below the reference number is for Rolex Submariner Big Crown produced between -, then below you see I.56, which means it left production at first quarter and all the way down you see a stamp that has shortly been used around , the 18 which stands for the (high) quality of steel that has been used.
Now you have an idea of which Rolex model you have, from what period it&#;s made and if it&#;s still in original condition (or at least parts of it ) you might want to check out the value by searching the sales results of the mayor auction houses which specialize in offering vintage Rolex. Every specialized auction house has it&#;s own database of achieved results. Find below a direct link to each of these databases where you can enter the info of your vintage Rolex to find out what a average sales price is in the market since last years.
Now we are talking about auction houses, let me just explain the basic rules of the vendor. Basically you as a buyer need to be sure that you want to bid on something that has your interest. Therefore the auction houses arrange viewing days prior the auction. During these viewing days you can examine the lots of your interest up close, ask a watchmaker to open the case back so you can see the movement, make remarks and do your own due diligence about what you want to pay for it.
The auction house provides you with information printed in their catalogue, additional info like copies from the papers, extract from the manufacture or service records. Once it&#;s auction day you can bid in all sorts of manners, for example actually bidding in the room, or by , by internet or by written bid. Once you&#;re the winner of a auctioned lot, you will have to pay a premium on top of the hammer price. That is the fee for the auction house which is in most cases about 25 % fee for hammer prices realized up to $ 100.000,=. Then 20 % fee for hammer prices realized from $ 100.000,= to 2 million and 12 % for hammer prices above 2 million. The seller who gave his Rolex to lets say Christie&#;s will get the hammer price minus 5-8 % costs.
The pro&#;s for selling by an auction house is logically that the hammer price gets up bid to a much higher number then the estimate was. Actually this doesn&#;t happen to often anymore because the experts of the auction house know exactly what a piece can bring, besides that they don&#;t want to ruin the expectations. An auction house earns money when they sell something successfully. If it fails to sell during the auction, then maybe it will be sold afterwards in private sale.
The con&#;s are the long time you have to wait before it get auctioned, the uncertainty if it sells and the total costs to use their service. Besides that it&#;s not at all certain that your vintage Rolex will be sold during auction. Sometimes by obvious reasons because the quality couldn&#;t meet the estimated price but also due to the fact that dealers are working together and not bidding at all so they can try to get it cheaper after the auction in private sale. Another more modern reason why a certain sale can work out negatively is the fact that we see on social media rumors been spread which could effects the sales price.
The other most used option is you offer it for sale at known or trusted dealers, those that have a reputation built up after dealing for many years in the market, have excellent feed back and references.
Once you gained enough information, you will know if the dealer is offering you a correct price. You could also discuss selling it by commission, so that the dealer get a fixed percentage of the sale and the buyer is wiring you the money directly. Pro&#;s of selling through a dealer is the fact that a deal is done quickly. You don&#;t need to wait as long as with the auction sale because they need to come up with a catalogue and in most cases travel around the world for previewing the sale to their clients.
Above Christie&#;s important watch auction in Geneva and below Phillips Auctioneers&#;
Back to &#;What is your vintage Rolex really worth now??&#;
It matters enormously where you ask a so called specialist for information about your vintage Rolex. If this is with your local jeweler or local auction house or if you do your effort to go to the big city and ask experts over there.Logically those that handle the most watches are having the best inside information and are aware what is happening in the actual market. Asking for instance Christie&#;s in Sheffield will give you a different expert opinion then if you go to London, then the best experts are in Geneva, as the biggest auction sale is in Geneva. Luckily the experts are available by so in most cases you when you don&#;t have an appointment with one, you need to take your time to get the best possible answer. Experience in this matter who to approach is handy but then when you go to the auction house website, they have their experts divided in categories, once you click on &#;watches&#; you will automatically see who to approach for a valuation. The same you can do by emailing me your questions or by picking one of the trusted RPM dealers &#;.
Another option in finding the value of your Rolex is by using social media. Facebook and Instagram are modern tools that are extremely effective as with one click you&#;re in a group of collectors willing to give you the best possible advise. If this is on free forums like VRF (Vintage Rolex Forum) where you can login and ask you questions or the VRF Facebook group , quick and easy you will get an first impression when you load up a clear picture from the front. Instagram can be used also for expert opinions by tagging the experts you found out by google on the picture you show on you IG page. Here&#;s an earlier report of mine about the impact of Instagram . In most cases it already helps when you use # hashtags of the description of your Rolex. For example: #Submariner # and add a question like: Can somebody help me find out the value of my vintage Rolex. By asking openly for an answer, in most cases you&#;ll be rewarded with helpful information. Collectors love to show off their gained knowledge so use them for your own benefit.
In the last couple of years the value of rare vintage Rolex has gone up rapidly. In the past people liked to invest in properties, stocks etc, but now we see many people that can afford to spend their extra money in art &#; collectables. If we look at the art indexes like below you will see that alternative investments are scoring a very high return on investment, if off course you buy with knowledge and from a trusted source. We see alternative art and collectors funds come up rapidly as lots of rich people want to profit from the popularity collectors markets have like classic cars, wine, jewelry and watches&#;
What does this mean for the value of your vintage Rolex? For example 2-3 years ago a Rolex Daytona with Paul Newman Ref dial sold for around &#; 50.000, whilst a regular Daytona sold for &#; 20.000,= as these models have been fashionable for many years. The current value of these Daytona&#;s has gone up to &#; 100-150.000 for the Paul Newman version and &#; 30-35.000,= for the regular Daytona. ( Get one thing clear here, that the difference between these 2 prices is only the dial, a dial which costs like &#; 50,= when the producer Singer made it end 60&#;s). Immediately the most important difference catches the eye, we see that iconic rare design went up in price more then the regular collection. People nowadays want what is special, been boosted on populaire blogs or comes into the news because a theme auction is giving them more awareness. In other words, those models that have been significant important for the grow of a brand, the 911 from Porsche, the Submariner & Daytona from Rolex are being picked up.
Back again to my initial question: &#;What is your vintage Rolex really worth now??&#;
As I tried to explain, we nowadays see that the market in rare collectables is moving fast. Many more dealers are active then for instance when I started organizing &#; The Rolex Passion Meeting &#; some 8 years ago. Besides more dealers, there are more customers in Asia, one of the biggest newcomers to the vintage Rolex market. Many new passionated collectors are rising in cities like Hong Kong, Singapore, Jakarta etc. Besides more volume we see at the same time that less high quality watches are being found farm fresh or coming from first owner in the market. Off course we have to realize that those Rolex models that have been produced in - are hardly found anymore. Due to the fact that a new generation has most logically inherited their father&#;s Rolex after some 50-60 years making it extremely rare a fresh find pops up&#;. Sometimes you&#;re lucky, like with this Submariner!
Besides the time factor a lot of more awareness and media has been published about collecting vintage watches and their up going value. Once a vintage Rolex was sold for more then 1 million and covered the Financial Times makes the possibility of finding another one almost impossible, although the same watch didn&#;t sell in the open market for &#;250.000,= some months before. In other words, the moment of selling is very important. I hear many serious collectors complain that there hardly is anything around what they can add to their collection nowadays. Indeed, the frequency that important new finds get for sale in the open market is much less then 5 years ago. Nowadays these &#;grail&#; examples get sold immediately to the right person who is missing it the most in his collection. If this is through a dealer or through the private sale of the auction house, everybody knows everybody and eventually it will end up with that particular collector who pays the most.
Coming back to the main question,, we have to make yet another distinction as many serious watch collectors are paying above market price as they happen to know that 1) prices for great original quality only goes up and ever growing scarcity, 2) by following the offers up close, they notice especially for the last 1-2 years that hardly any good offers come by as they used to see, making them willing to pay more, then for instance the last auction result for a comparable example. Personally I think the rare vintage Rolex will climb in price of the next following years. I also think that more regular but historical important Sports Rolex models like Ref., , , will gain in price once they are not having any service parts and are not too much polished. Every -is Rolex model will be highly collectable, not just the sports models like everybody is mainly focusing on but also the Precisions, Datejust, Day Dates etc. The 50-60 years of time span moves automatically so that in due every -is and then -is model will become highly collectable. Read by predictions&#;
Now we pick the models we love the most like glossy gilt Submariner or Daytona but in the near future a quartz Ref will be as collectable as well. The generation of watch collector evaluates as well bringing in new taste. In classic car collecting for instance, the future collectables coming in demand are those pictured on posters that were hanging above the bed of those boys being able to pay for their dream car now. The watch trends and their trend for collectability is certainly close connected with the car world. If it&#;s vintage watches or classic cars, the main reason you should have to invest in it is the pleasure you get back from it. If you&#;re clever and do your homework properly, you will find out what the real value of your vintage Rolex is. If you buy a vintage Rolex because you really like it, you will never loose money on it as the time you&#;re enjoying it, is the best investment you could have made!
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OK, here we go. Once you would remove the pins on the side of the case using a pin, you will find the 7 digit Rolex serial number and the reference number. This will tell you it&#;s a Ref Sea Dweller. Then analyzing the dial, you will see that the graphics are different then the regular ones, specially the coronet and the lining of the SCOC text below on the dial. We collectors call this a &#;Rail Dial&#;. This dial has been produced by the Stern company (later owner of Patek Philippe) which also produced the Comex Seadweller dials for Rolex. This unusual dial we only see around 5.7 to 6.2 million serial making it when you study below serial number list from end &#; . Next is to determine the condition, when you look closely to the finsih of the case and bracelet you&#;ll see the fine thin lines seems to be all original, smooth and steady, reflecting the light on a natural way. Specially the left corner lug seems to have some honest scratches on the chamfer of the bevel. The proportions are still looking nice and somehow sharp so the case looks to be in good condition.
As I always try to focus on the &#;all over matching patina&#; we now focus if the different parts are having the same aging. The tritium luminous on the dial is a bit toned and is the same as the tone of the hands. From this we can conclude that they still seem to be the original ones. Which also tells us that most likely this Sea Dweller has not been serviced by Rolex yet as then most likely the patinated hands (with little corrosion on top) would have been changed. The crystal is not having the sharp corner on the edge which we see with service crystals but still the domed. The bezel insert is period correct and the little tritium dot is showing us a warm patina which matches the aging of the rest of the tritium. The matte black dial seems to be undamaged, look carefully at the edge, where you often see chips from removing the movement from the case for a service.
Conclusion: All over this is a great looking Rolex Sea Dweller, from the &#;white&#; period with rare &#;Rail Dial&#; still in adorable original condition, hardly or not polished, having a matching all over patina of case, bezel, dial, hands and bracelet. When searching the auction results you will see these sell now for &#; 10-15K euro, this particular model I would rate more towards 15K due to it&#;s fine condition.
To check out the date of your Rolex you need to know the serial number, which in below list shows you the date:
Rolex Bezel Codes:
0 = Smooth/Domed
1 = Rotating/Engine Turned (early)
2 = Engraved
3 = Fluted
4 = Bark
5 = Pyramie (Not Used)
6 = Turn-O-Graph
7 = Various
8 = Special (Not Currently Used)
9 = Open (Not Currently Used)
Rolex Metal Type:
0 = Stainless Steel
1 = Yellow gold Placor (Tudor)
22 = Stainless steel and Platinum (Yachtmaster)
3 = Stainless Steel and 18k Yellow gold (Yellow Rolesor)
4 = Stainless Steel and 18k White gold (White Rolesor)
5 = Gold Shell (early models &#; Rose Gold on newer models)
6 = Platinum
7 = 14k Yellow gold (No Longer Used)
8 = 18k Yellow gold
9 = 18k White gold
BIC = Bi-Color 18k Yellow and White gold combo
TRIDOR = 18k Yellow, White and Rose gold
Rolex Dial Codes:
&#; first digit:
1x = Silver
2x = Champagne
3x = Black
4x = Steel
5x = White
6x = Blue
7x = Bronze
8x = Pink
9x = Mother of Pearl
&#; second digit:
x0 = Index (Stick)
x1 = Unknown/Unused
x2 = Sunbeam (Roman)
x3 = Roman
x4 = Bi Color Dial (Index)
x5 = Jubilee (Roman)
x6 = Maxi Arabic
x7 = Index (3,6,9 Arabic)
x8 = Waves (Arabic)
x9 =Sunbeam (Roman)
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